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  The 7 times of Daniel

  by morning glory in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ct russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula.

  notice on this link how alesha sivartha,a forerunner of the "new age" movement,also regarded 606bce and 1914 as significant years in bible prophecy;.

  http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/sivartha/12.375.html.

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  jwfacts- Thanks for your info and the research you had done on this subject. Russell obviously was not the first to try to use the 7 times formula in determining certain prophetic dates.

  drew sagan - you said,"

  JWs really think that THE BIBLE STUDENTS ALONE where making this known!" I agree.That is the perception of the JWs that their religion is so unique. If they were not living under a "fishbowl" mentality and took the liberty of doing some personal research,they would see that they are only getting a one sided version,the WTS's version.

  As far as pinpointing 1914 as a prophetic year using the 2520 year formula,the fact remains that so far,I have found only two individuals who did this -(1) CT Russell in collaboration with Barbour,and (2) Alesha Sivartha in his Book of Life.Both writers published their conclusions within a few decades of each other. Also both incorporated pyramids into their theology,although for different purposes,it seems. It could be coincidental. I am not sure.

  Russell had apparantly looked into "eastern" religious beliefs when he was younger and Sivartha's Book of Life seems to originate from that particular area of religious thought.Don't know if there is any connection or not!

  Again,thanks for your replies.

  MorningGlory
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  Suppressing Doubts

  by The wanderer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having been one of jehovah's witnesses for the better part of fourteen years and then having left the organization after having discovered the watchtower society's involve- ment with the united nations has left me second guessing myself.

  often times, i ask myself why?-why?

  did i not listen to my "gut feelings" when i held certain doubts about the organization?

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  I don't know why it took me 35 years to start to wake up! I already felt in my heart that some of the WTS teachings could not be supported by the Bible and I seen enough instances of scandelous behaviour among elder bodies to know that holy spirit was not behind the appointment of elders,and yet I kept "waiting on Jehovah" to correct things!

  Like you it was the NGO affair that told me immediately that there was something very wrong about this situation that reached right down to the very roots of the JW belief system,ie the perception of a "faithful and discreet slave" who could at the same time suport and cooperate with the "beast" that this "slave" so often condemned! At least you and I and many others were able to accept the truth of the NGO affair,while all others,so far,to whom I mentioned the NGO thingy to,were unable to see anything wrong in the WTS's actions.Frankly,if it were not for the NGO affair,I might still be in the borg "waiting on Jehovah"! Learning about the NGO affair was the catalyst that prompted me to look deeper into the history of the organization and the rest is history.
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  The 7 times of Daniel

  by morning glory in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ct russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula.

  notice on this link how alesha sivartha,a forerunner of the "new age" movement,also regarded 606bce and 1914 as significant years in bible prophecy;.

  http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/sivartha/12.375.html.

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  morning glory

  CT Russell was not the only one and perhaps not even the first individual to create a doctrine out of the 7 times(2520 years) formula. Notice on this link how Alesha Sivartha,a forerunner of the "New Age" movement,also regarded 606BCE and 1914 as significant years in Bible prophecy;

  http://www.nichirenscoffeehouse.net/Sivartha/12.375.html

  Sivartha put a bit of a different "twist" on the 7 times,however,applying it to the image in Daniel chpt.2 instead of to the stump of the cut down tree of Daniel chpt.4 that was prophesized to remain dormant until 7 times had elapsed.

  I found it interesting that another individual outside of CT Russell would regard 1914 as a prophetic year and arrive at his conclusion using the same 7 times formula.

  Does anyone know of any connection between CT Russel and Alesha Sivartha,or is this just coincidental?
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  Knights Templar Watchtower

  by avengers in

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  morning glory

  Maybe you can get a few more ideas for your Watchtower magazine from this link;

  http://www.bibleplanofgod.com/

  MorningGlory
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  PASTOR RUSSELL on MASONIC connections

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (pastor russell dot com)in his own words...was pastor russell a freemason?.

  "there are certain conditions,the low gate, the narrow way, the difficult path.

  although i have never been a mason, i have heard that in masonry they have something which very closely illustrates this" ... "many masons shake hands with me and give me what i know is their grip; they don't know me from a mason.

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  "As we understand the matter, for instance, the Free Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, etc., perform certain rites and ceremonies of a religious kind... We place upon one level all of those who have any religious ceremonies, teachings, etc., and consider them all as parts of Babylon ... We admonish the New Creation to have nothing whatever to do with any of these semi-religious societies, clubs, orders, churches; but to "Come out from amongst them, and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing." (`2 Cor. 6:17`)" —1904; "The New Creation", pp. 580-581

  Sounds like strange advise coming from one who used the Winged Sun-disk to decorate the cover of his "Finished Mystery" and also used the Knights Templar crown and cross and other Masonic symbols to decorate the covers of "Zion's Watchtower" and "The Studies in the Scriptures" series!!
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  zions watchtower taught astrology as doctrine

  by headmath in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from zions watchtower may 1, 1903

  qoute

  an astrologer's outlook.. .

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  Russell's writings often express a curious intermixing of astrology,pyramidology,and the bible! "The Photodrama of Creation" also referred to astrology,among other teachings that JWs today wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole! (Unless,of course,the GB came up with some "new light" and sanctioned these teachings!) Here are a few exerpts from Russell's Photodrama of Creation;

  http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/

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  zodiacal signs illustrate various sections of the heavens, visible at different seasons.

  http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/pd0002.htm

  Egyptologists have been astonished by their findings in the tombs of the Pharaohs. In some of these, historic tablets have been found, tracing the ancestry of the Pharaohs apparently back to Creation--the first Pharaoh--Adam. But these tablets show so many more generations than the Bible record that Egyptologists lose all faith in the Genesis account. They become Higher Critics, discount the Bible record and pin their faith to the Egyptian tablets. They confess, however, that these tablets vary, and more or less contradict each other. Concededly, the most accurate is THE ABYDOS TABLET, found in the sepulchre of Seti I.--probably the Pharaoh who made Joseph his Prime Minister and who is supposed to have died about 120 years before Moses was born.

  http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/pd0003.htm

  THE ABYDOS TABLET fully agrees with Genesis and is often corroborated by the Greek and Egyptian historians, Herodotus and Manetho. It shows Adam as the first Pharaoh, and Noah the twentieth, while the intermediate eighteen correspond with Genesis with remarkable accuracy. Mena's wife was Shesh--Hebrew, Isha--woman. Her first son was Pharaoh II.--Greek, Teta-Khent--guilty one; Hebrew, Kanighi; Latin, Athos; English, Cain. The tablet for Abel represents him as the non-resistant one.

  Melchisedec is supposed to have been one of the Shepherd Kings who invaded Egypt and built the

  Great Pyramid ,covering twelve acres , known for ages as one of the Seven Wonders of the world--about 2170 B.C. Astronomers tell that its measurements indicate the length of the year, the weight of the Earth, the distance to the sun, etc. Its interior passages represent human history--Downward, the course of sin and death; Upward, the Law Age, the Gospel Age, the Kingdom glory of the Church, and Human Restitution.

  Russell's interest in pyramidology,along with his use of Egyptian and Masonic symbols on many of his publications has led many to suspect a Masonic connection to Russell and his early supporters

  Morning Glory
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  They took my money!

  by whatlite? in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  okay, well i'm another newbie but maybe i will find a few people to be appauled with me.

  i have been shunned by my entire family..father, 3 sisters and a brother, 4 aunts 5 uncles, and countless cousins.

  the best part of it is i'm not even df'd.

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  It seems that the UN thing is a sensitive issue with the JWs! When my wife wrote her elder father about the WTS affiliation with the UN a couple of years back,and expressed that she didn't feel that it the right thing to do,her father used that letter against her in a judicial committee meeting.The letter proved to be the necessary 2nd witness that the local elders needed to disfellowship her.Up to that point,they had the testimony of only one witness whom she had mentioned the UN thing to. With friends like that,who needs enemies!?

  A year back my wife's mother phoned her to request some fleece sheets that she makes. She offered to pay for them but my wife said to not worry about it. Since her parents live several hours away from us,we sent the sheets by mail. Three weeks went by and we hadn't received a thank you note or any indication that they had indeed received the parcel. It could have gotten lost in the postal system,as far as we knew. So,my wife phoned to see if they had received the parcel. Her dad answered the phone and affirmed that it did arrive. He did manage to squeeze out a meaningless thanks and that was the end of the conversation! But,on their own,neither my wife's father nor mother,were able to think of giving us a phonecall or thank you note just out of courtesy.

  My wife's aunt(not a JW) in Germany(sister to her mother) told my wife recently that the only time her sister ever calls her is when she needs something. Other than that,she never hears from her!

  You asked," Is my family the only crazies out there?" I don't think so! Seems to be a common trait of JWs,IMO.

  Morning Glory
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  JW child molester, Rick McClean, to be profiled on America's Most Wanted

  by SixofNine in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  april 15, i believe.. and for anyone who knew rick mcclean, the fbi could really use your help.

  (i can get you the proper number, if you pm me).

  link to a thread with details on mcclean: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/106553/1.ashx

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  I hope they catch him! He is a "popular fellow" right now. His picture is here to view,also.

  http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/ca-s/fugitives/pdf/fm.pdf

  WANTED

  By U.S. MARSHALS

  Name: MCCLEAN,FREDERICK

  Alias: MCCLEAN,RICK; MCLAIN,FREDERICK;

  MCLAIN,RICK

  Sex................................................. MALE

  Race...............................................WHITE

  Date of Birth................................. 02/15/1951

  Height............................................5'11"

  Weight........................................... 170 pounds

  Eyes............................................... HAZEL

  Hair............................................... BROWN

  MCCLEAN has been molesting girls for at least 25 years. 8 victims have been identified so far. He fled with at least $100k in cash. He

  is assumed to have changed his name and appearance. He might be driving a small, dark colored pick up truck. He also might have a

  black 1955 Chevy hot rod on a flat bed trailer. He owned a classic race car restoration business and is very knowledgeable in that

  field. He used to reside near Winchester and may still be in the Southern Riverside/Northern San Diego County area.

  http://www.usdoj.gov/marshals

  NOTICE TO ARRESTING AGENCY: Before arrest validate warrant through National Crime Information Center (NCIC). If arrested or

  whereabouts known, contact the nearest United States Marshal's Office or call the United States Marshals Service Headquarters at

  1-877-WANTED2.

  MORNING GLORY
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  The Worst Public Talk Ever

  by onesong in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what was the absolute worst pt you had to sit thru?.

  i was thinking that for me the worst outline is "get a firm hold on the real life".

  yes a life constricted by endless and ever changing rules, burdened by guilt, fear and obligation, and all the while hoping for an empty promise has got to be the "real life"

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  "I've got to ask... what were they planning on pumping from her stomach?"

  Don't know! I didn't ask him and he didn't elaborate further! Cheers!

  MORNING GLORY
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  The Worst Public Talk Ever

  by onesong in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what was the absolute worst pt you had to sit thru?.

  i was thinking that for me the worst outline is "get a firm hold on the real life".

  yes a life constricted by endless and ever changing rules, burdened by guilt, fear and obligation, and all the while hoping for an empty promise has got to be the "real life"

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  The one I heard in Vernon,B.C. a few years back, when the visiting speaker,under guise of warning parents to be on guard for what their children were capable of,described a situation he personally was aware of as an elder. Apparantly,a young sister had had oral sex with a brother and had to be rushed to the hospital to get her stomach pumped out.Forgive me if this is too graphic but I am mentioning this as an example of some rather personal and private matters that were made public in very poor taste,and should have been kept confidential,IMO.Even at that time,despite being a clueless dub,I thought that this speaker must be a little bit "strange" and,needless to say, I was not motivated to invite him over for dinner after the public talk or get to know him any better!

  MORNING GLORY